"Mark Tindall" <> wrote in message news:<>...

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Answers for a Fundamentalist

"God has a moral right to kill"

Before you read this let's set some ground rules. Christian fundamentalists only make up about 15% of the population and less than

one-quarter of Christians in general. These people claim to be Protestant, often attack other Christians, and their religion is a fusion of Puritan/Calvinism, 19th century occult nonsense, and their own politics.

Many of their leaders not only preach non-biblical beliefs but also reject all church scholarship and often claim direct revelations from God. Most are obsessed with End-Times mythology and don't follow Jesus

outside of empty claims of "faith alone." ....

In regard to fundamentalists being "irrational" one asked:

Isn't the term "irrational" in the above statement? Your opinion of fundamentalists and not the definition itself? This is a question, not

a comment. The gentleman who asked this question I'll call "Sword of the Lord." He is owner of a Christian fundamentalist web site and the first thing that sticks out is a sword. A sword is a weapon of war that clearly reflects the mental attitude of fundamentalists like Mr. "Sword of the Lord." (I'll refer to him as Mr. SOL from now on.) This graphically points out that fundamentalist Christianity is about power, hate, and creating "God" in their monstrous image. Let's answer

the questions of Mr.SOL above, he won't like the answers. Fundamentalism in the American Dictionary is defined as one who "believe in a literal interpretation of a religious text as in the Bible, etc." True enough, but to claim belief in anything without ever reading it is at best asinine. But there is more to this as the Grolier Encyclopedia defines it: Fundamentalism is a term popularly used to describe strict adherence to Christian doctrines based on a literal interpretation of the Bible. This usage derives from a late-19th- and early-20th-century transdenominational Protestant movement that opposed the accommodation of Christian doctrine to modern scientific theory and philosophy. It is in reality a political/social movement claiming to be a religion. In fact they claim over and over that everything should be subordinated to their version of Scripture.

Let's consider the fact that "fundamentalist" has taken on a sinister meaning in today's society: ...

a.. A Christian fundamentalist cult known as the Branch Davideans opens fire on federal officers serving a warrant, killing several officers. Believing the US Government possessed by Satan, they committed mass suicide by burning their Waco commune to the ground claiming almost 90 lives, many of them children. Millions of Christian

fundamentalists hailed them as heroes and martyrs, and insisted Satan in fact possessed the government.

b.. A Christian fundamentalist murders a New York gynecologist in the living room of his home. The killer was hailed as a hero for carrying out "God's Judgment" by many fundamentalists. Conservative columnist Cal Thomas blamed the murder on the doctor himself saying abortion "cheapens life." Authorities still seek the killer and at this time are trying to get him back from France.

c.. Matthew Shepherd, a 21-year-old gay man, was beaten nearly to death and left to die tied to fence post in Wyoming. With shouts of "God hates fags," some fundamentalists clearly expressed joy at the murder. Other fundamentalists claim AIDS is "God's punishment for sin." (They fail to explain why "God" would kill an innocent person who gets a blood transfusion and contracts AIDS. Original Sin perhaps?) The two thugs were caught and convicted of murder. .....

... What these fundamentalists have done with their shouts of "Jesus is God" (something Jesus never claimed nor did He ever pray to himself, just God) is to tie Jesus in with the most depraved and evil sections of the Old Testament, which reflects their own views. Even Jews gave up such ideas centuries ago yet these phony fundamentalists want to apply them to 21st century America! This murderous version of Jesus they've concocted is only an excuse to use whatever means available to control others. Jesus has nothing to do with this.

Their hate, rage, and intolerance are now sanctioned by God ....

... The reality is that anyone who doesn't follow their beliefs is God's enemy. ....

Their overall outlook on society is much like Nazi Germany. In Nazism,

Hitler/state would be god and Mein Kampf could be a bible. Their "family values" could have come from the KKKristian KKKoalition while their hate list (atheists, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Jews, liberals, etc.) could have been written by the Southern Baptist Convention. Nazi Germany was full of doctors, lawyers, and engineers who went along with Hitler. The Nazis hated the "Jew Jesus" and worked to remake German Churches into the image of their sick god Hitler. They borrowed heavily from conservative Christianity, but in the end sought to destroy it. They were extreme racists.

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Christian fundamentalists in America of 2001 don't follow Hitler and are not all racists like the Nazis (many of their members are), but have an outlook on other faiths that is no different than Mein Kampf was towards the Jews. They, like the Nazis, hold the vast majority of America in scorn and if given enough power will put their perverted killer god in every church in America.

When Pat Robertson stands on the 700 Club and proclaims Hindus "a dirty, filthy culture," it's easy to see why religious bigots of this type are also racist bigots. What they really seek is a theocratic police state with their killer god as king and themselves as "sword of

their lord." Thus their version of master religion is little different

than the Nazi version of "master race."

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Pat Robertson often quotes the Rushdoony agenda when he calls Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and the Methodists "Spirit of the Antichrist" and refers to non-Christians as "termites" in need of a "godly fumigation." This is no different than Nazis calling Jews "rats" and gassing them ....

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Like the German Nazis, many fundamentalists rely on myth and misinformation to try to justify their views. Their distortions of Scripture knows no end and involves rejection of all reason and common

sense.

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According to Norman Cantor in his book THE SACRID CHAIN, "The four Gospels ...appear to have been written between AD 70 and 100." (After Paul's Epistles written between A.D. 45 and 65.) "Almost all were certainly written outside Palestine." Luke made errors in geography and wasn't likely to ever have seen the county. "Mark and Luke were likely Gentiles, and John, writing around A.D. 100 in discourse heavily conditioned by Napoleonic philosophy (Greek), certainly was." Matthew may have been a Jewish convert, but his hatred of Pharisees and Jews makes this questionable. (p. 89) This doesn't even begin to consider the four conflicting stories of the Resurrection. Resurrection or no Resurrection, the real origins of the Bible begin in Nicaea (present day Turkey) in 325 based on selected writings of the Apostle Paul.

Except for the last sentence which is mine, all of the rest is from The Sacred Chain by Cantor a Jewish historian. His writings agrees with Elaine Pagels in her books The Origin of Satan and The Gnostic Gospels. She is a Christian and has chaired the Department of Religion

at Columbia University and is a graduate of Harvard University and is currently at Princeton. Another work that's a must-read for is Honest to Jesus by Robert W. Funk. Nicaea is known history (Nicene Creed) where Christianity was defined BY VOTE. Forget this Holy Spirit business, that can't be proven. Many other alternate Gospels were deemed "heresy" and burned.

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... Biblical accounts were based on the outlook of Greco/Roman mythology, the heavens they depicted as Zeus sitting on a throne in the clouds was reduced to the vacuum of space and the Hell under the earth became simple magma.

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The final blows to fundamentalists would come in the 19th and 20th centuries. Charles Darwin's Origin of Species would shatter even the Garden of Eden story. The discovery of radioisotopes, continental drift, samples of moon rock brought back by the Apollo missions, and much more would prove Darwin was right. Today we can map human genes, clone animals, and even tailor genetic crops to rid our farmers of using poisons to control pests. Fundamentalists still claim all of this is just wrong and offer what they "creation science" as proof. To

quote Episcopal Bishop John Shelby Spong, "The strange thing known as creation science is nothing more than ignorant rantings reflecting a frightened and dying religious mentality."

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Many Christian fundamentalists do not want anyone reading the Bible for themselves, they want to preach it (witness) or else one may draw conclusions not to their liking. It is their "eye-witness testimony" they want to convince you of, not what is really in the Bible. This is

how all cults snare their victims. That is why less than 10% of evangelical, charismatic, and fundamentalist Christians have ever read

Scripture or can even name the Ten Commandments.

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Finally, I will answer this last part of the question Mr. SOL demands of me: Prove Christian fundamentalists have a "total intolerance of other ideas." The proof comes again from the mouth of another Christian fundamentalist named Bob Jones III. Here is an avowed racist, who claims Catholics, Mormons, etc. are "cults," and even holds mainline Protestants in contempt. Bob Jones University is the pride of evangelical America.

He stated in the Cedar View Independent Methodist Church in Kingsport,

Tennessee last year, "the Bible itself is intolerant and true followers of God's word should be as well." Where in "God's word" does

it say Catholics are "cults?" They won't tell you, it must be more of that secret "eye-witness testimony." It is no wonder John McCain refers to these bigots as "agents of intolerance." ....

Lewis

-- "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." - Blaise Pascal

God, protect me from Your followers!