From: (Nigel B. Mitchell) Newsgroups: aus.religion.christian Subject: Re: Denominations Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 01:53:18 GMT In <3631fc5e.183447720>, (Able) wrote: > The death of Judas would be a good one. I have done quite a bit of my >own research on it.I never like to look at these things with >Christians however, surprisingly a lot of them are on your side as far >as trying to prove the Bible is a load of cobblers. Or more >specifically they use the fact that there are "contradictions" to >establish a case for something they want to do, that the Bible says >don't do quite clearly. Here is another for your collection of Bible "contradictions". Exactly what words did Jesus say over the bread and wine at the last supper? We have four accounts Matthew 26:26-28 Mark 14:22-25 Luke 22:19-22 1 Corinthians 11:24-25 All of these have slightly different words in the mouth of Jesus as he distributed bread and wine. The differences are greater in the original Greek, as most English translations try to bring some harmony to the accounts, but even so I am not aware of any English translation of the scriptures which has Jesus saying exactly the same words, in the same order, in every account of the Last Supper. We also have an account in John 13, where the words Jesus used over the bread and wine are not recorded at all. The author of the fourth gospel either did not know the words, or did not think they were important. On the other hand, none of the other authors thought the "foot washing" was important enough to record - if they knew about it. Those of us who believe that the Bible was written by divinely inspired fallible human beings who recorded their understanding of what was important about Jesus, his teachings and ministry, would have no problem with the fact that these four accounts contain different words. The essential meaning of the event is unchanged. BUT - those who think that the Bible is "infallible" must exmplain the differences. Did the last supper take place four times? Otherwise, a maximum of one author "infallibly" recorded the words of Jesus, and the other three ( I would say more likely all four) recorded the general sense of [what the early Church understood to be] his words and intentions. This is, and always has been, a vital issue, because the re-enactment of the Last Supper in what came to be the Eucharist/Mass/ Holy Communion, and the understanding of what takes place and what it means when we cenebrate this sacrament, is at the heart of Christian worship, and tragically one of the issues which divides us into denominations. Surely, if the early Church had been aware of the exact words that Jesus used, they would have been careful to record them accurately. Cheers N+ Nigel B. Mitchell
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