From: (Nigel B. Mitchell) Newsgroups: aus.religion.christian Subject: Re: Graeme's 6 points - was The Apocrypha Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 07:24:28 GMT On Sun, 09 Aug 1998 16:50:57 GMT, g, (Graeme) wrote: >But note what Peter says in his second epistle. Hi, Graeme I am still doing some work on 2 Peter 1:20-21, and will post it on the newsgroup early this week. Would you like me to write your reply as well? - I have a feeling I know what it will be. I am tremendously amused that you and AJ are singing 'why are we waiting', given that you think I am an uneducated liberal, and AJ just wants to punce on another of his mice. In the meantime, I wonder if you would like to comment on the fact that Biblical scholars are, so far as I can see, just about unanimous in ascribing pseudonymous authorship to the letter we know as 2 Peter. It is generally considered to have been written in the second century, and by an unknown author. I am sure that you will fulminate once more about 'liberals' and 'rationalists', but like scholar and exegete worthy of the name, I have looked up the provenance of my text before beginning work on exegesis and exposition. W.G. Kummell, in his Introduction to the New Testament (SCM 1975) gives a good sumary of the evidence against Petrine authorship of this letter (see pages 430-434). The main points are: 1. 2 Peter quotes from and alludes to the letter of Jude in a number of passages - but omits Jude's references to the Assumption of Moses and 1 Enoch. Given that Jude speaks of the teaching of the apostles as something of the past (Jude 17), it is generally held that Jude was written late in the 1st century, and 2 Peter is even later than that.. 2. The conceptual world and rhetorical language of 2 Peter is hellensitic, not Jewish. 3. The letter writes against the denial of the Parousia (second coming) (3:3), and the 'clever myths' and 'knowldege' of the gnostics (1:6 et al) - all of which emerged in the Church early in the second century, according to Clement and others. 4. 2 Peter refers to the letters of Paul as "scripture" (3:16) - which points to authorship at a time when the collected writings of Paul were already beginning to circulate together and achieve similar stature amongst Christians to the Hebrew scriptures. There is no evidence that this happened during Paul's lifetime, or Peter's. 5. The fact that the letter claims to be written by the Apostle Peter, and even contains what purport to be eyewitness accounts, does not definitively answer the question. Whereas today such pseudonymous authorship would be considered a 'lie', 'cheating' a breach of copyright, etc. in the ancient world it was commonplace and considered quite proper. 6. 2 Peter is not contained in the earliest lists of canonical books. In fact, no list of canonical books surviving from the second century includes 2 Peter. Origen includes it in his list, but as 'doubtful'. Irenaeus, Tertullian, Clement of Alexandria, Cypran, and the Muratorian Canon are completely silent about 2 Peter. One third century codex includes 1&2 Peter and Jude, but alongside other non- canonical books, and even down to the 4th century, 2 Peter is virtually unknown. Eventually, in the 4th century under the influence of Athanasias, Augustine and others, the letter was accepted by the Western church. It is still not regarded as canonical by the Syrian church. Graeme, in our discussions about John 8 you decided that John 8:1-11 is not canonical because it is not included in the earliest manuscripts, and shows all the signs of a late addition to the scriptures. According to the same criteria, 2 Peter would have to be considered equally doubtful. Let me state that I have no problem regarding 2 Peter as canonical - because it is the Church that sets the canon, not Biblical scholars or papyrologists, and it is not a matter of personal opinion. But what do you think, Graeme? Does the above tally with your research? I expect that you will consider points 1-5 above as the ravings of liberal rationalists, but given that in the past you have cut passages out of scripture on the grounds listed in point 6, it is your response to that part of this post that is likely to be most illuminating. Cheers 2. N+ Nigel B. Mitchell
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